May 17, 2019

Is Jainism becoming a Kitchen Religion...


Q2.  Has Jainism become a “kitchen religion”? Or why is food given so much importance in Jain households?
First, let’s talk about what is meant by a "kitchen religion". The youth / young adults in today's world perceive Jainism as a “kitchen religion” when they extensively hear about food in religious context - we can eat this; we can’t eat this; we can eat at this time; we can’t eat at this time, we can’t eat green vegetable on certain days, we can’t eat root vegetables but certain root vegetables are exceptions. And in midst of all this, the fundamental Jain principles and how to apply these principles in their current environment are not explained or are given very low priority. 
We want to shed light on following Jain values and principles as they apply to this question, while keeping the spiritual growth perspective in the forefront:
·     Ahimsa Anuvrat (Vows) of Laypeople
·     Following path of Minimum Violence for Healthy Survival
·     Jainism is a Religion of Reflection, not Action
·   Actions done in Mithyatva (Ignorance/Wrong Beliefs) always acquire Pap karma
Our intent in addressing this question is to create a positive and enriching experience about the religion, create awareness and understanding, and answer questions for curious minds who want to understand rather than follow blindly. 
Ahimsa Anuvrat (Vows) for Lay People:
Jain conduct (achar) is different for Monk/Nuns than for Laypeople. When monks/nuns take five great vows (Mahavrat), they should follow it 100% of not hurting any living beings including one sense beings. For laypeople, we have responsibilities for family, work, community, religious organizations etc. that shouldn’t be ignored and hence our vows are different and called Anuvrat. Here’s the verse from yoga sastra that explains the ahimsa vow for lay people:
સ્થૂલ પ્રાણાતિપાત વિરમણ વ્રત:-
નિષ્કારણનિરપરાધીત્રસજીવોની સંકલ્પપૂર્વકની હિંસાનો ત્યાગ

Sthuul pranaatipat viramaan vrat:-
Nishkaran (without valid reason) Niraparadhi (not guilty) 
Trasjeevani (2-5 sensed beings) Sankalp-Poorvani (premeditated / planned) Himsa (violence) Tyaag (avoid / give up)
At the core, it means laypeople should avoid / give-up premeditated / planned violence towards movable (2-5 sensed) living beings, which are not guilty, and there is no valid reason. There is no mention in Jain scriptures (45 Agams) about prohibiting the consumption of root vegetable or any other green vegetables for laypeople. The kind of reference first appeared around 12th century (1700 year after Mahavir Swami's nirvana) and as time passed it become very strong tradition among most of the Jains. Please see the information below for accessing 45 Agams in Prakrit and Hindi languages on Jain eLibrary website.
For our healthy survivals, we need to use and consume minimum quantity of 1-sense living beings, which includes water, fire, air, soil, plants (which include pratyek and root vegetables). Anuvrat indicates non-violence against movable living beings (Triyanch / Tras beings) only.
Following Path of Minimum Violence for Healthy Survival:
Non-violence is the one of the highest principles of Jainism but life cannot exist without violence. Hence, laypeople need to follow the path of minimum violence for their healthy survival. 
Jainism says the degree of violence is proportional to the number of senses a living being possesses. Therefore, eating meat (one 5-sense living being) is worse than eating vegetables (innumerable 1-sense beings), even though innumerable one sense living beings are killed in eating of vegetables.   
Jainism also says one should not consume any junk or deep-fried food that doesn't have any nutritional value since food should be consumed for health, not for taste or desire (ref: Vanditu sutra Gatha 20 and 21).  Nutrition comes from produce, fruits and vegetables. 
Jain laypeople vow indicates to use or consume only plant base food (1-sense beings) responsibly. It also strongly indicates to avoid any kind of wastage. Any form of wastage is violence. For example, cooking more food than what you need and throwing out food is a form of violence. 
Therefore, as laypeople, we should follow a path of minimum violence. For any situation, we need to understand the values and principles and apply them in our environment using our own wisdom. 
Jainism is a Religion of Reflection, not Action:
The aim of Jainism is to enable our spiritual growth, such that our thoughts, words and actions are in alignment with Jain values and principles. May be Jainism is becoming a kitchen religion because we are focusing too much on doing or not doing things related to food, instead of understanding and reflecting on intent / bhaav behind it. We need to constantly ask ourselves:
·     What has been my spiritual growth? Is my Mithyatva eliminated? Is my Kashaya reduced? Am I getting closer to the true nature of my Soul, which is always being pure, peaceful, compassionate...?
·     Do I truly understand what and why am I doing it? Or am I just doing it blindly?
·     Am I directly or indirectly, consciously or subconsciously looking for recognition? Am I doing these activities for ego, greed or out of fear?
·     Am I creating any Kashaya or stress in the family? Is peace and harmony maintained in my family?
The reflection, reason and intent behind doing something is religion. The most important thing is to understand why we are doing any activity, whether it is any kind of penance, giving up any food or not eating at a certain time. We should do it for the right reasons and with complete understanding – we are doing this only for our spiritual progress. 
Actions done in Mithyatva (Ignorance / Wrong Beliefs) always acquire Pap karma:
Anytime we do something mechanically without understanding why, then we are doing that action under ignorance (Mithyatva) and it does not provide the intended spiritual growth. We need to understand the principles first and then apply them. 
We have been programmed by society that we must follow certain rules, like do not eat after sunset.  However, what is the thought behind that? As an example, one may be told that do not eat at night. If a layperson follows not eating at night rule but then in turn builds more kashayas (e.g. anger because cooking of the food is delayed, don’t get home on time especially during winter months in America or they are hungry and want to eat) then have truly benefited?
Vanditu is the Atichar (list of minor violations) for lay people, lay people practice 12 vows.  During pratikraman we ask for forgiveness for our Atichar with Vanditu sutra.  There is no mention of asking for forgiveness for eating after sunset at night in Vanditu. Don't get this wrong, we are not promoting eating at night. There are definite health and meditation practice benefits for not eating at night but making it a strict rule and following it without understanding is not beneficial for the individual's spiritual growth or for others around them. 
Penance/fasting is yet another aspect related to food. Is fasting easier than limiting intake of food (unodari)? When we practice unodari, it is in an internal process, nobody knows about it, it is not measurable and most difficult. Fasting is easy to measure and receives big recognition in family and society. 
After we fast, do we reflect on how our attachment to food has changed. The reduction to our attachment and getting closer to true nature of our soul is the spiritual act and the net result of any penance.  As an example, Mahavir Swami did not set out to fast.  Rather, he was in meditation and the fasting was a result of the meditation.  When he felt his body needed food then he went ahead and got food (Gochri). 
Fasting can also be looked as a way for training our minds. If we can train our minds to not eat at every instinct of eating, then in the future we can train our minds to not dwell on every negative thought/emotion. We can train our mind to control our eating habits, our thoughts and our actions. If being mindful about eating can transition to being mindful about our thoughts / emotions / actions, then that is a spiritual progress. This would be an internal process - we are the only ones who can truly assess that growth and others do not have a need to know. 
Summary
Food is an integral part of our life, but food should not be used as an indicator for being a Jain, following religion or our spiritual growth.
The purpose of all the actions in religious context is to look inward, enhance our spiritual life, find happiness within, and reduce kashayas. External renunciations are meaningless if nothing changes within. 
We all have different circumstances and different environments and we should use our own wisdom in every situation. Karma feels our reflections (bhaav) and do not see our actions.

References:
Searchable Agams

Please visit www.jainelibrary.org and search Agams by the serial numbers below
  • Searchable 45 Agams in Prakrit language - Serial Numbers 003701 to 003789 (All odd numbers like 003701(Agam01), 003703 (00Agam02), ........ 003789 (00Agam45).
  • Searchable 45 Agams in Hindi Translation - Serial Numbers 034667 to 034714 Continuous Serial Number of 45 Agams


68 comments:

  1. Great blog.Thank you for initiating the conversation. There may be no mention of eating after sunset at night in Vanditu.. but there is enough mention about harming the tras jeev. Eating after sunset, when the food starts contamination eventually leads to violence against these tras jeev (thought not planned that way) . Well said about Bhaav shuddhi taking precedence over karma shuddhi.. We should use our own wisdom as needed but whenever doubtful over the thoughts, better to take guidance of learned monk/nun to get better guidance.

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  2. Very nice article. Many things worth reflecting upon..

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  3. Allow me to discuss Jainism without constraints. I fully accept lack of knowledge of modern scriptures.

    First, no one has the original scriptures of Jainism that were lost during the migration of the great famine, Modern scriptures are written centuries later, based on their best understanding of the original scriptures. These new testament scriptures are now the holy grail of Jainism. Fine, that is the best we have but we need to constantly be mindful that they may not have the "eternal" qualities of the originals and may need to be updated and contextualized.

    The soul of a monk and layperson is the same and needs to follow the same path of purification. Why different standards? Practice of layperson may differ, from monks by their choice, but standards are universal.

    Most food habits of Jains are ritualized and symbolized and not understood or even reflected. Upvas makes us wait for the day to be over and not reduce attachment to food. Choviar, Ekasnu. Di Chhata makes more work for the (mostly) lady of the house or for others trying to accommodate the Jain guest. Jains proudly wear their penance on their sleeves as a religious medal, creating ahankaar instead of tyaag.

    The blog is very thoughtful, but unless general understanding changes and unless the monks educate the laypersons, the visible religion will continue to focus on the kitchen table and not on the bhaav, as suggested.

    Jainism is a very scientific and numerical system of beliefs so complex that the average person cannot comprehend its complexity. All they can do is follow the rituals of food, upvaas, chadlo, navkar mantra, samayak, pratikraman, samvatsari. The belief is if you do these things it will lead to moksha.

    This is not to be critical of the religion but to have an open discussion of the theoretical and practical Jainism and the schism between the two, I humbly accept my shortcomings as a Jain and ask forgiveness from anyone who may be hurt by this expression.

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    1. Standards should be different for laymen and monks, right? Because monks have taken stronger vows (mahavrata) and follow the path of sarv virthi. Laymen are supposed to follow lesser/minor vows (anuvrata) and follow the path of desh virthi. If both follow the same vows, what is the difference between a monk and a layman?

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    2. That is the point. There should be no difference in the opportunity that every human soul, monk or monster, has for moksha. Emphasis on opportunity. Taking of any vrat, maha or anu, is from the mind only. White clothes, shaven heads and vyakhyans have the same opportunity as khakhi clothes, turban heads and shramdaan. Everyone of us is a monk if the bhaav is right and sacrifice is selfless. Tat tvam asi.

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    3. Very well said Mr. Lal Chand, I really really appreciate your knowledge n the method you discribed.
      हर आत्मा समान गुणों से समाहित है।वेष सिर्फ़ बाहरी पहचान है। जीव का लक्ष बाहरी अहिंसा से ज़्यादा भीतरी अहिंसा पर होना चाहिए जो भावों को गिराने से होती है।
      भाव त्याग से भव त्याग की ओर बढ़े।
      जय जिनेंद्र!

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    4. This is the real point we all are missing eating or not does not make u a Jain but the thought process behind it does bhav he say Kuch hai

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  4. Nice blog. Great comment Lalchandji. While we are not physically violent about our religion, we often tend to express our superiority over other religions by words and action, which is violent! I was witness to a situation where a Jain couple was invited lovingly to a dinner (all Jain dishes only) by their Maharashtrian Brahmin friends. The couple brought their own food and did not touch the food offered by hosts, showing distrust and disrespect for their hosts' ability and intention. I ofcourse had no issues enjoying their food.

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    1. Don't get me wrong. There are ma y people who do not eat spices of market, who eat food made of filtered water (filtered by cloth) so sticking to our vows is not aahankar

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    2. Sticking to vows without hinsa (physical or emotional) by oneself, for oneself and of oneself is fine. But there is no glory in that.

      Announcing varshi tap, athai, upvas etc to fellow jains and others for reverance and religious recognition is much more rewarding.

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  5. Jai Jinendra

    Jain religion is limited to kitchen...! Question is unavoidable as far as current teaching method prevails...just imagine how big this issue is...! we are 50,00,000 in the whole world (50,00,000/5,00,00,00,000) 0.1% of world population..& this question bring lots to think about on table..

    First of all teaching/explaining method to be changed at grassroot level..

    Just explain that to survive we should not kill any one, try as much as possible to survive on dead body of ekendriya (thats too their natural death) ..

    Ekendriyas are All Trees, plants, Air, Water, Fire, Land (soil, prithvi (I dont know exact english translation)

    - For survive we consume food..how it can be consumed with minimal sin..answer is grow food for your self..i.e. Plant trees for fruit...fruits will fall down automatically..eat those..Plant vegetable plants..vegetables get dried on plant itself or gets older there only, eat those..

    If growing not possible buy it from some one who follows this practice

    Here being Jain farmer we will not kill any insects, will have vivek of water use..this way we will dont kill vanaspati un necessary..

    Use solar cooker & hot plate which runs on solar electricity..this way we will get saved from ekendriya hinsa in power plants (water, fire & air)

    For air..dont use fans - make home such that natural ventilation serves the purpose.

    All above are example of awareness about Ahimsa..if teaching is in this manner than our religion will not be limited to kitchen it would be way of life.

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    1. isn't incomplete teachings or lack of teaching (for dharma) a characteristic of the 5th ara (dukham kala)? What is right is perceived as wrong and vice versa, something to that effect?

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    2. yes, the number of people who are supposedly Jain and discussing this issue is very minuscule.. isn't that the essence of Bodhidurlabh Bhavana (one of the main 12 Bhavanas)?

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    3. - Agree it could be due to 5th ara gun..I have doubt on many such postulate..reason is who wrote it?? There are Agamas..& Agamettar shastra ...Now agam again under question based on Digambar & Shwetambar understanding..present solution to these discrepancies is to read all & put it in action & belife wisely rather than blindly sticking to it.
      - Now answer to question is yes it could be due to 5th ara lakshan..but we cant give it away..there are 5 samvays (Dont know belongs to Agam or Agametter shastra..but seems by & large logical) Swabhav, Kal, Niyati, poorva karma & Purusharth...first 4 are not in our hand..but last purusharth is in our hand.. so v cant seat tight & say that “aa to 5 ma ara na lakshan chhe” we collectively try hard ( Do purusharth) to minimize ..diminish effect of 5 ma ara.
      - Above is explanation to 5 th ara & teaching based on my very limited knowledge..will do more reading & will come back if I will find better answer.

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    4. - I had studied bar bhavna in 35 bol...but in detail Study is pending..I will read & will get back with answer to this reply in context with Bhavna..
      - However if all jains collectively make purusharth on learning Jainism problem can be solved..could be part of their curriculum (made by parents 😀)..I am also trying to make one for my kid not succeful yet but will be soon.

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  6. As you said Mahavira was focusing on meditation which gave him so much happiness and power eating food was secondary aspect.. So first focus should be meditation and then food. Budha allowed to eat meat also but of dead animal.

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    1. Meditation should be first priority, true sir. But food has to strictly vegetarian. Its core of our religion.(we may consider relaxation towards time, ie before sunset.coz of many engaged in different kind of jobs)

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    2. Tirthanka's soul is of much higher purity compred to other worldly souls. It is said that Tirthankara's have 34 atishayas. One of them is invisible food intake and excreta. Their body is divine, healthy and fragrant without perspiration. Also, what was the purpose/goal of tirthankara's meditation and can it be at the same level as other worldly beings?

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  7. Eye opening article. Very deeply explained

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  8. Superb Blog. Very useful information and innovative logical thought for describing ur view.

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  9. Excellent. Look forward to more.

    Please take up our literature and explain one one sutra

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  10. Can you add this point about the dependency of characteristics of human on its eating habits. If food was bring by stealing then the person eating that food will get those vibes and may bring in those characteristics of stealing. Also like for beef that person killing that animals feelings are transferred to person eating. Hence hatred being transferred and hence any vegetarian person is more probably going to be less violent in its actions. Even herbivores animals are also less violent we may conclude. Jai Jinendra

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  11. Jai Jinendra,

    Yes, as it stands today, and as we learnt using direct and indirect communication in childhood, Jainism is perceived as religion that prohibits onion, garlic and potato (unfortunately not only amongst non-jains, but also young population of jains).

    We need to take steps to show it is something which is all inclusive:
    * Healthy living for mind, body and spirit
    * Social justice
    * Biology and physics in the form of jeev and ajeev
    * Humanity
    * Ecology
    * Geography / astronomy / Cosmology

    And so forth.

    Our children will connect better, if the religious education gives the right perspective related to above.

    Also, as far as kitchen part is concerned, there is a much greater depth in jain philosophy related to what to eat / what not to eat well as when and when not, which has a strong connect with healthy body, mind and spirit - both short term and long term. These aspects must come out loud and clear.

    Recently we came across a doctor, who tells patients to have beashnas or ayambils instead of giving medicines for permanent recovery from long lasting deceases (he is not a jain!).

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  12. Excellent piece.... Gets our understanding of religion better.

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  13. Bakul Gandhi5/18/2019 4:10 AM

    This is very important subject as it appears that Upvaas-Fasting Tapa (one of the six External-Bahya tapa) is over emphasised and publicised, particularly during Paryushan. At the end of Vyakhyan-Lecture, Pachchkans are given publicly to those who undertake this type Bahya Tapa. No doubt it is difficult to undertake this Tapa, people do it with all enthusism. Need to down play in public this kind of Tapa. At the same time one should restrain in critising a tapasvi, who may not be able to observe completely jain principles on day to day basis. Perfection is a gradual process, does not happen overnight.

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  14. I can’t define in English. So, I am writing in Hindi here.
    जैन धर्म में भोजन को महत्ता इसलिए दी जाती है, क्यूँकि तामसिक भोजन ग्रहण करने से इंद्रिया पुष्ट होती हैं जिससे मन में विकार उत्तपन्न होते हैं। विकार उत्तपन्न होने से जीव इन्द्रिय सुख की चाह करता है जिससे उसके भाव नीचे गिरते हैं व जीव कर्म बंध करता है।

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    1. येहीतो हमको रटाया गया है. हमने मासाहारीको पून्यशालि देखें है. और जैनोंको तामसिक.

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    2. What nidhi madam saying is absolutely true.one can experience like below.
      Whenever any saadhu Maharaj or sadhvi mataji visit our home for ahaar, that day we too consuming same food & experience of that day is peaceful mind.
      A kind of saatvik we feel.

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  15. Jaijinendra,As per our JAIN granths, samyak darshan, samyak Gyan & samyak charitra is moksmarg. Basic problem is that the process has started reverse now a days. Basically samyak darshan has lost it's meaning in due course of time thereby samyak charitra has attained first priority. Therefore awareness towards reading & understanding JAIN principles are required to gain first priority and samyak charitra will follow automatically thereafter. One must also remember that science cannot answer all the queries as I feel it is too premature as compared to Jainism. Parent & Grandparent are solely responsible for showing right path to younger generation.

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  16. Good idea to educate and do it with meaning, understanding and self satisfaction

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  17. Type of Food intake influences Mind. Mind being physical influences actions of an individual following correct value system. Therefore it is always better to be aware of what kind of food one eats.

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    1. That's a truism. One eats what one is born into culturally and geographically. Desert people eat different from mountain people who differently from prairies or delta or ice people. They are all good souls with bodies adapted to locally available food. Intellect can operate in all conditions from Bethlehem to Bihar and Medina to Mansarovar.

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  18. Truly a real side of Jainism,
    Apart from highlighting jains as not eating roots or nonveg; it is important to highlight the true living lifestyle of a true follower of Jainism. But, unfortunately we Jains are the ones who break the rules and hog at street food post Paryushan which highlights the more attachment towards food. The modern Jainism is more of commercialisation than following the true essence. Jainism has four main tirth i.e. Sadhu sadhvi and shravak shravika. The subdivisions between the Jains itself is making difficult for jainism to sustain.
    Tips to follow Jainism in this modern busy schedules:
    1. Use LESS WATER, ELECTRICITY and other devices. As water has ananta lives and electricity is generated from various hinsa of 6 kaay.
    2. Don't lie or cheat or conduct fraud practices.
    3. Don't steal or copy without paying to the owners. Don't fight over property which is not yours.
    4. Have less focus on entertaining your 5 senses eg. Songs for ears, movies for eyes, fragrances for nose, taste for tongue and soothing environment for skin. That's Maithun. Humans are more carried away in these pleasures. Try to Control the pleasures.
    6. Have limitations of travel directions.
    7. Use less of products for self glorification or beauty. Try to avoid oil, ghee fried food. Also try to avoid eating fruits directly. Dispose the seeds with utter care as they have life within.
    8. Avoid using harmful weapons especially like electric bats to kill mosquitoes, pest control chemicals or poison for that matter.
    9. If not doing dharma then don't stop the person who does. Don't have negative approach towards dharma. More importantly there is nothing like dharma can be done only when we grow old. It shud b as soon as we r born
    10. Meditate every morning and night and analyze what kind of mistakes you committed or u hurt anyone knowingly or unknowingly.
    11. Don't waste food. Have countable account of how much and what are you eating. Keep counts like maximum 20 items a day. Its easy and it is one type of fasting.
    12. Even if you don't wish to offer food to saints or saints are not present there, pray and feel positive that may this food pudgal result into good. Just remember we are consuming food to stay alive and not being alive to consume food.
    13. Think about when i will attain Nirvana.
    14. Drink boiled water and not the purifier one.
    15. Don't refrigerate more than excess fruits and veggies.
    16. Don't store extra unnecessary food items. Nowadays you get everything in the market at anytime. Why waste our time space and trouble the tras jeev.
    17. Buy only necessary clothes.
    18. Don't have qualities like greed, anger, ride , attachment to material world
    19. Whenin trouble or pain, dont hype or cry out intstead think that what you sow, so shall you reap.
    20. Live and let live
    Leave and then live.

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  19. Please describe why some root foods like peanuts etc are allowed. Also Curd or bater like thing which contain so many bacteria.

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    1. Sir, let me try as much I know.
      Curd to be consumed within within 8 hrs after its set for curdling.
      Peanut are obtained from outer shell.
      Now let's see the difference.
      1) Totally ahimsa is not possible. We have to practice minimum himsa towards ekendriya.
      2) we have to observe 100% ahimsa towards panchedriya
      3) we have been taught to protect ourselves. Ie, in war we can attack enemy to defend ourselves.
      4) we need protein for strong muscle body.
      5) curd contains casein protein.penut with good fat & protein.
      6)we jains are Descendants of kshatriya.
      We have to be physically strong enough to protect ourselves with protein food obtained by minimum himsa.

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    2. Curd can be consumed onoy after 9 hours, since curdling began. By that time, all beyindriya jeev(lacto bacillus) have naturally died. Curd needs to be consumed within 24 hours after it has settled. Post that, jeev utpatti starts again.

      Peanuts can be consumed though they grow underground because, peanuts have oil in them. So, they prevent growth of microorganisms. Oil definitely prevents growth of microorganisms. This is clearly evident from the fact that we dip pickles in oil to prevent growth of fungi. Similarly, oil is applied to cereals and pulses to prevent growth of insects.

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  20. I loved the way it is explained that everything is to be done is the only purpose serving in limiting our bad karma and in achieving the spiritual growth which i think is very important so i will wish that who reads this hope to see that point.

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  21. Jai Jinendra! Fantistic article and excellent points made by Shri Lalchandji and others. I would like to humbly add to the conversation about the inhumane treatment of cowonal/buffaloes, both in India and abroad. In my limited understanding of paap and punya, lifelong torture of a panchindriya jeev (or any jeev for that matter) to such a degree, is way worse than killing that jeev in one go. I'm not endorsing any kind of hinsa, including killing, but also strongly that feel that this issue needs more recognition and practical implementation in the daily life of an average Jain household, than it is currently being done.
    A heartfelt Michhami Dukkadam if I've hurt anyone by my comment.

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  22. Everything is very open with a precise explanation of the challenges.
    It was really informative. Your site is very helpful. Thanks for sharing!

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  23. When a jeev/soul leaves it's current body and attaches to a newly formed body? In humans, when a fetus develops. What is the first thing it does? It develops a body capable of getting nutrition (from within the placenta/egg/whereever it is). This is the first of the six possible paryaptis that is developed for a soul/jeev. After that it develops respiration and other sense organs. Since it the first Paryapti developed for every type of living being, and the soul develops the food paryapti everytime it takes on a new body, hence, food is considered the most hardest thing to give up or get control over.

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  24. Good work looking forward to other answers going to come on the blog

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  25. The title is "Has Jainism become a kitchen religion?"

    Without deviating from the topic, Jain's have already given up the larger himsa like killing humans or panchindriya animals.

    The next level is of 1-4 indriya jeevs and we may say that the greatest impact on them in our day to day life is in the kitchen. Hence the dietary recommendations explained in the article above.

    Jainism is not a kitchen religion.

    As modern civilization, there are many other new human activities that hurt other life. We must consider ecological effect of those too.

    Like excessive travel, use of artificial fibres, dyes & chemicals, wastage of electricity, water, food etc.

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  26. I wish to know, understand the logic behind this 'Jainism says the degree of violence is proportional to the number of senses a living being possesses. Therefore, eating meat (one 5-sense living being) is worse than eating vegetables (innumerable 1-sense beings), even though innumerable one sense living beings are killed in eating of vegetables. "

    Can anyone help? Thanks.

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    1. Jai Jinendra,
      Please review the response to question #1 to understand the logic behind number of senses, 5 senses vs. 1 sense, degree of violence and the role is play in determining our action/intentions from violence point of view.

      https://jainism-says.blogspot.com/2019/05/five-senses-and-their-role-in-jainism.html

      If you have any further questions, please don't hesitate to ask. Thank you!

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  27. Excellent article to read about well well being in our life and also healthy.

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  28. Whatever has been shown by sarvagna tirthankars is flawless. Curd can be consumed onoy after 9 hours, since curdling began. By that time, all beyindriya jeev(lacto bacillus) have naturally died. Curd needs to be consumed within 24 hours after it has settled. Post that, jeev utpatti starts again.

    Peanuts can be consumed though they grow underground because, peanuts have oil in them. So, they prevent growth of microorganisms. Oil definitely prevents growth of microorganisms. This is clearly evident from the fact that we dip pickles in oil to prevent growth of fungi. Similarly, oil is applied to cereals and pulses to prevent growth of insects.


    Thank you

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    1. Tirthankars are flawless, but we no access to what they have shown since even scriptures written 1500 years after their worldly existence have been lost. There may be perfectly good reasons to follow the practices preached in modern jainism. My limited point is that these are practices given by well meaning munis and not tirthankars. So they should be examined and updated by current well meaning munis. For example, not traveling by vehicles is anachronistic. Not using toilets in cities is unsanitary. Sweeping the path you walk is impractical. Different rules of salvation for munis and lay people is confusing. Jainism is a way of life and not limited to upashrayas and dehrasars.

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    2. Sir,
      First time agams were written 983 years after nirvan of Vir prabhu. These agams contained the direct discourse given by Vir prabhu. A group of 500 gitarth acharya bhagwants got together to consolidate what everyone remembered after the 12 year long famine. So most of the discourses were written "as-is". Majority of those agams are available even today. They have not been lost. Whatever principles of Jainism we follow today have not been given by muni bhagwants, but by Vir prabhu and gandhar bhagwants.

      Also the path to salvation is not different for shraman and shravak. The achaars are different due to limitations of shravak because of sansaarik activities. But the eternal path to mukti is the same for all.

      It is my humble request that please study Jainism from gitarth guru bhagwants in India before questioning or commenting on the practices laid down in Jainism.

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    3. Dear Bhavyaji,
      I humbly accept your advice to study more about jainism and thank you for correcting my dates.

      As I understand, you agree that the agams were written about a thousand years after Mahavir. And they were written by a group of monks and that too after a 12 year famine where survival must have been at stake. In that state, how accurately can the githarth acharya bhagwants or gandhar bhagwants (monks) recount something that was handed down by oral tradition over 15 generations. To expect verbatim writing of Mahavir's teachings would be incredible. These 500 monks wrote what they collectively believed were the teachings of Mahavir. There must have been disagreements, arguments, interpretations and divisions, The most vocal and influential among them swayed a majority to arrive at the compromise agams. This was a collective consensus process like the Christians' New Testament which is still being challenged by scholars.

      Again my limited point is that these agams are not likely the transcription of tirthankar Mahavir's words. If these are words of monks written a thousand years after Mahavir or some 1500 years ago, there should be a process to revisit them and contextualize them to changing times. Keep what is still good and modify the rest.

      I do respect the principles of Jainism while humbly accepting my limitations. But essence of the religion is being inundated with rituals, jargon, blind faith and above all the orthodoxy that keep us chained to the past without questioning. If we Jains want this religion to flourish we have to be able to dust off 1500 year old text and let some sunshine into its origin, context, meaning and practice. If not, it will remain a kitchen religion practiced by a few who will believe that they are the chosen ones to be born as Jains as many other faiths believe they are the chosen ones to be born in theirs.

      Most respectfully, I hope you will agree with the need to examine and update the 1500 year old edition of agams. They are not the word of tirthankars, mere mortals evolved to acharyas.

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    4. bhaiya what you have said is correct, but what I feel is no need to change the aagams..’cause old peoples who wrote this were with more wisdom than what v have...just need to change the way it is being tought..

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  29. Ratri bhojan tyaag has been mentioned in all major jain scriptures. Shravak atichaar sutra, that we all recite during each pakkhi pratikraman also mentions about ratri bhojan tyaag (7th atichaar). Ratri bhojan has been clearly mentioned as one of the 4 primary reasons of narak gaman.

    Also the upvas done by prabhu Vir, was not unintentional. It was not a by product of meditation, but was intentionally done to support dhyan and kayotsarg. બાહ્ય તપ એ અભ્યનતર તપ માં સહાયક છે, માટે પ્રભુએ કર્યું અને બતાવ્યું. Dhyan ane kayotsarg are very difficult with full tummy.

    It is beneficial for all to go to gitarth guru bhagwants in India in case of any doubts.

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    1. So true ratri bhojan is the first step towards narak

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  30. Food that we eat,when we eat, how we eat, ,how is it cooked , type and quality of ingredients are the indicators of our faith,belief, values of the life and philosophical perception,.that we follow. In Jain way of living kitchen is a measurement of our understanding and following Jain way of living. Jain religion is not only following some rituals,but it is a way of living based on non-violence,limiting of wants , simple living and utilising our resources for the welfare of, not only for human beings,but for all living beings;
    , trustiship, and a way of living based on justice and equality . Therefore, a lay man who is ignorent of Jainism (Jain philosophy and Jain religion) perceives religion in Jain a kitchen.

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    1. So, kitchen is the embodiment of Jain faith, belief, values and philosophy of simple living, ahinsa, aparigraha, charity to all, justice and equality? By that definition it is a kitchen religion, which is the subject of this blog. Thanks

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  31. This question is a quest to many more important aspects of Jainism. I am happy to the author (https://jainism-says.blogspot.com/2019/05/is-jainism-becoming-kitchen-religion_16.html) and various fellow commentators for providing an opportunity to arrange my thoughts. Despite being a lifelong vegetarian, there are some things that crop up in my mind, when I try to look at this question in an unbiased and objective manner.



    In my response I’d like to touch upon the following topics:

    1. Food

    2. Environmental impact

    3. Consciousness

    4. Other activities



    Food



    A few extracts from the Tattvarth Sutra, I find important in this context. Kindly note these are my translations as per my understanding, and needn’t be consistent with those in popular commentaries:



    6.7 तीव्रमंदज्ञाताज्ञातभाववीर्याधिकरणविशेषभ्यस्तद्विशेष:



    The influx of karma (asrava) and subsequent bondage is dependent on the intensity of the feeling (bhaav), the knowledge of the action, the strength of the doer and the means used to perform the action. (Detailed explanation of the types of asrava are presented in the preceding and succeeding sutras of the Tattvarth Sutra)



    5.21 परस्परोपग्रहो जीवानाम्



    By being of use to one another, the living beings support each other. (Web of life)



    5.29 उत्पादव्ययध्रौव्ययुक्त सत्



    (Cyclic) Creation, destruction and permanence is the nature of reality.



    Further in one other basic Agama sutra it is written, (not able to find exact sutra now which I’d read in a library) that not being attentive to flow of consciousness is the root of all himsa.



    In the context of these scriptural extracts, and from the experience of life; the first hypothetical question that comes to mind is whether the excessive importance we place on food overdone. Could eating dhokla [due to limitations of characters allowed here, continue reading more at https://groupbrowsing.blogspot.com/2019/06/has-jainism-become-kitchen-religion.html)

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  32. People have physically got better by giving up milk. Ie no self harm

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  33. I see some comments related to curd that it can be consumed only after 9 hours after the curdling process began so that all the bacteria are dead naturally. However, in the process of curdling aren't we responsible for causing infinite bacteria to be born and dead ? isn't this a hinsa ?

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    1. Yes it is hinsa that is the reason they say if u can stop eating that it is the best but if you cannot the violence should be least, since bacteria are one sensed organisms( ekundriya) the violence is consiy less. It is best not to eat if you can survive without it

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  34. can someone please explain why curd should not be mixed with staples like daal etc.

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  35. You mentioned, "Any form of wastage is violence. For example, cooking more food than what you need and throwing out food is a form of violence."
    What is a wastage? It seems that according to you, 'Anything that a human could use and could not use' is a wastage. This is why you think that throwing unused and uneaten food is a wastage. Wastage for whom? Are we the only species on this planet?
    When we accidentally kill small creatures such as insects, bacterias and plants, we say we have created violence. If this is so, then why is throwing excess food not seen as doing a great service for these little lives, who feed on this food?
    Nothing is wasted in this universe. Countless lives depend on the food we throw. It is consumed by various animals, insects, plants and bacteria. There is no violence in throwing excess food. In fact, consuming excess food just because otherwise it would be a waste, is the real violence. You should not just stuff food inside your belly because throwing away is a waste, a violence!

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    1. If you give food to animals without throwing then it is not wastage but if u throw and just assess ki koi na koi khalega then that is wastage because you cannot assure some one had it and about bacteria they don't come to eat the food thrown away but they take birth in the food you throw so it's wastage and it's like u are producing unnecessary bacteria which in turn if dies then its the sin v made

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  36. We do ask forgiveness in atichar for eating after or close to sunset, lagbhag Vela valu kidu which means we shouldn't eat after sunset or closer to seunset time.

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  37. Thanks to author for throwing light on actual purpose of following Jainism rather than just measuring it in terms of food practices. One small request- please help me to understand why we shouldn't eat leafy vegetables on ashthami, choudashi, Poornima and amavasya. I have seen my Jain friends who eat onion, garlic but they don't eat it on these 6 days. Why so?

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