Jun 25, 2019

Jainism View on Dairy Products...

Q4. Dairy products are not a Vegetarian product (it is an animal product) why do Jains consume them?  Should they consume? Why is eating of Dairy product not prohibited in the Jain scriptures?

First, let’s talk about the question why dairy products are not prohibited in Jainism:
Jainism is an introspective religion and there are no “thou shalt” commandments in Jainism. Jainism provides a set of values/principles and guidelines on how we can apply them in our day-to-day life. It is up to each one of us to understand and internalize these values/principles and apply them mindfully in various aspects of our lives like how to consume and preserve natural resources, how to follow right ethics, what we should eat/not eat, wear/not wear, integrity with work and finance etc.
We shouldn’t accept anything blindly, but instead be conscious, logical and do the right thing using our wisdom. We have to make sure that there our conduct is consistent with our Jain principles and values.
Next, we will provide our perspectives on the history of cow’s milk usage, cow’s natural milk production cycle, modern day dairy industry, Ahimsa principle as it applies here and Mahavira preaching of Jain principles and his life stories. Then it is up to individuals to make their choices using their own awareness of the situation and wisdom.

Historic perspective on cow’s milk usage:
In olden days, India was primarily an agricultural country and farming industry was owned by individual independent family farmers. Bull was absolutely needed for farming and transportation. Without the availability of bull, human population in India could have extreme difficulties. Hence every farm family use to raise a few cows for the availability of bull. Milk was fed to calves.
Later, as the population of India increased, and India’s agricultural industry was unable to produce enough grains, vegetables, and fruits. So, farmers and others started using very small percentage of milk as food. This milk usage was for their survival and not selling. They treated the cow as their mother and took care of them as a part of the family member. Hence cruelty aspect was very minimum.

Let's understand how natural Cow milk production occurs:
The typical lifespan for a cow is 15-20 years. Just like humans, cows can produce milk only after the calf is born. And the cow naturally produces milk only until the calf is weaned off, which is approximately up to 15 to 18 months. Just like human mothers, cows naturally only produce the quantity of milk that is required by its calf. That is the law of nature for all mothers feeding their babies under natural environment.

How does the modern-day dairy industry work?
Cow’s lifecycle in commercial dairy industry:  
As soon as the cow is around 15 months, she is impregnated. The calf is born after ~9 months. And ~3 months post-delivery, the cow is impregnated again. Cow is made to deliver a calf every year to get continuous supply of milk. The newly born male calf is not allowed to consume its mother milk and mother cow’s all milk is used commercially. However, after 3 deliveries the milk supply goes down.
Statistics says that there is about 30% reduction in the milk production (after 3 deliveries) by age of 5 years. And when that happens, the dairy industry sends the cow to slaughterhouse, since it is not cost effective to keep that cow. And then the same lifecycle starts for the new cow. Cows don’t get any kind of natural or humane life in the process.

Use of hormones and mass milk production:
In the dairy industry, baby cows are given heavy doses of hormones to bring them to reproductive maturity faster than the natural cycle. Young cows are also given heavy hormones and artificially impregnated every year to keep them viable for producing milk. Immediately after a male calf is born, it is taken away from the mother cow.  The female calf is kept with mother for few weeks and then taken away. This causes enormous stress on the mother cow, so it often will not produce any milk for 1-2 days. Then she starts producing milk. In addition, the dairy industry usually uses machines for mass production and those machines are set to timers. 

Use of antibiotics:
The dairy and meat industry are exercising mass production and are not properly caring for the cows leaving them at risk of sickness and infection. For mass protection, the cows are treated with high doses of antibiotics. These severe antibiotics are sometimes used as preventive measures, regardless of true need. As a result, these antibiotics are also deposited within the cow’s milk supply.  Just like in humans, these heavy doses of antibiotics work the same way, by killing bad and good bacteria, which adversely affects their gut and their diet.

What happens to cows that are not producing enough milk or to the male calves?
Mass death of Cows:
Hundreds of years ago, bulls were used for farming and transportation but that is not the case now. The production of dairy products also necessitates the death of countless male calves that are of no use to the dairy farmer, as well as the premature death of cows slaughtered when their milk production decreases. Both male and female calves after kept up to a certain age for the sole purpose of reproduction and milk production.  If they are not needed or cannot be used by the meat/dairy industry, they are slaughtered for “veal” or “beef”.  And finally, older cows and bulls are sent to slaughterhouses.

Why dairy industry is also bad for the environment?
From recycling our household rubbish to cycling to work, we're all aware of ways to live a greener life. One of the most effective things an individual can do to lower their carbon footprint is to avoid all animal products.  Here is why:
The production of dairy and other animal products places a heavy burden on the environment - from crops and water required to feed the animals, to the transport and other processes involved from farm to fork.
The vast amount of grain feed required for meat and dairy production is a significant contributor to deforestation, habitat loss and species extinction. A third of the surface of North America is devoted to grazing. Half of American croplands grow livestock feed for meat and dairy products. 220 million acres of land in the USA have been deforested for livestock production. In Brazil alone, the equivalent of 5.6 million acres of land is used to grow soya beans for animals in Europe. This land contributes to developing world malnutrition by driving impoverished populations to grow cash crops for animal feed, rather than food for themselves.
World's 1.3 billion cows annually produce 100 million tons of methane a powerful greenhouse gas which traps 25 times as much solar heat as CO2. Livestock production accounts for more than half of all the water consumed in USA. And the waste released in the Environment by American Meat and Dairy Industry is 230,000 pounds per second, polluting our land, air and water systems (source: USDA  2001).
On the other hand, considerably lower quantities of crops and water are required to sustain a plant-based diet, making the switch to plant-based diet one of the easiest, most enjoyable and most effective ways to reduce our impact on the environment.

Now let’s look at this from Jainism values / principles perspective:
Ahimsa perspective:
Being vegetarian is just not enough from Ahimsa mindset, since consumption of dairy and other animal byproducts are considered equally high order of sin (Himsa) as consuming direct animal products (E.g. meat and other non-vegetarian food). Great deal of suffering is caused to animals in the dairy industry. While, Ahimsa teaches us that every living being (Animals included) has the right to life and freedom. Cows love their children just like us. They deserve to be safe and free from harm just like us. They have a capacity to experience grief or joy just like us. So why make them suffer?
Now the agricultural production in the world is such a level that it can feed the human population several times over.  There is no shortage of vegetarian food in the world. Milk and other dairy products are not needed for our healthy survival.

Mahavira’s Preaching Perspective
In addition to Ahimsa principle, Mahavir Swami also preached Samvar and Nirjara. In Nirjara, he explained six bahiya tapa, which includes that a Jain should practice “Ras Tyag”. They should not consume juicy food like milk, yogurt, butter, ghee, oil etc., since it affects human mind and makes it lazy and sleepy which is a hindrance to meditation or one’s spiritual progress

Mahavira’s Life Story Perspective
Jain Agam literature (scripture) consist of 65% stories and remaining 35% include Karnanu-yoga (geography, Karma philosophy, gunasthanak etc.), conduct or Achar (six AvashyakPratikramanSamayik, Vows and Repentance), and Philosophy or Dravyanu-yog which include Jain philosophy of pure souls and impure souls.
The main purpose of the Jain stories is to explain Jain principles and conducts. And the significant portion of stories are created (mythology) by the author using the name of the historical personalities. But one should not derive the Jain principles or Jain conducts out of the story.
One such story is that Mahavir ate kheer (milk-based food item) in his first Parna (fast breaking Tapa). Hence many Jains do ask the question that what’s wrong with drinking milk if Mahavira ate kheer?
There is no Jain principle or Jain conduct described by Lord Mahavir that indicates to drink milk and consume dairy products.  On the contrary his teaching of Nirjara bahiya tapa (ras tyag) and ahimsa says to refrain from consumption of milk and dairy products, as explained above.

Bottom Line
There is significant violence and cruelty to five sense animals in the commercial dairy industry and cow’s milk is meant for its calf. Hurting or killing five sense animals are considered highest sin in Jain literature. So, based on that Jains should refrain from dairy products or any products that involves animal cruelty. However, we do understand that any kind of change is difficult especially when it has become a part of life. Even if we can’t make the transition, at a minimum, we should not blindly justify our actions and use our own wisdom to apply the Jain values in the current times.
Therefore, when it comes to dairy products or any products that involves animal cruelty, we need to do the due diligence of gaining as much information as we can. Plus, nowadays given technology/internet, we can do the required research very efficiently to ensure that we have the knowledge and awareness. It is up to each one of us to ensure that our conduct is in-sync with our Jain values and principles.

95 comments:

  1. Have you verified the authenticity of this content with a Jain Acharya or a Maharajsaheb (not scholars not pandits living in sansar) and got their official OK to post this content on world wide internet? If so, can you please name who you asked? If you didn't ask, may I ask you to contemplate the content first with an Acharya before posting (yes, Acharya is the one when you say Namo Ayariyanam in reciting Navkar)?

    Of course, unless you really think you actually have the full authority to write whatever you want to write on Jainism without the need to get an OK from a Suguru, yes?

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    1. Dhaval Bhai, how does it matter. The data is available in public domain, and a true Jain is one who does his own research and than takes a decision. Please do your research and take a decision, please do not blindly follow anyone.

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    2. @ Dhaval Kamdar : Wow, in this day and age to have such a close minded comment from an educated Jain is surprising. Its because of such comments our religion is not growing, and our children do not want to embrace it fully. We have the full right to express our views in a blog, and invite healthy comments that would benefit and enrich the knowledge of everyone. That I believe would be the intention of the writer of the article. It is a discussion.

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    3. Please understand Jainism...first read aagams...that are base of Jainism ..which none of acharya is ready to explain...I don't want to go in detais of who is right or who is wrong...but from my understanding of Jainism...no one has to be a acharya to put his or her point....and the main point of our religion is to get moksha...enlightenment...which can be gain in any status of life...
      So pls read on ANEKANTAVADA.....
      Or ask the acharya you believe in...
      There is nothing wrong in learning new things....

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    4. Before you get into the binary of Right/Wrong, know that you cannot compartmentalize everything in absolute terms, Right /Wrong, Good/Bad, Black/White...there are a lot of intervening shades between Black & White...Also note that true Jainism is much more than being dogmatic and being ritualistic...it is about state of 'Being' which is about experiencing divination of self...we all mortal human beings are imperfect including 'Acharyas'and also you cannot be absolutely sure of who is Suguru and who is Kuguru unless you have attained a level of spirituality by practising basic tenants of Jainism....Also have any of the Tirthankaras ever mentioned about 'Procedural Code' for expressing your individual beliefs....blindly following anything is stupidity and blindly rejecting anything is also stupidity...

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    5. I 100% agree with dhavalbhai.As there is a cardinal principle in Jainism which say " Aanaye Dhammo" .
      Now the view that anyone can get knowledge by reading books means there is no need for Guru.
      My Humble request to all those who think that one can understand Dharma by just reading scripture is that try to put your accounts with a Bank signed by a person who has done "research" on Accounting and not by a CPA / CA and ask for loan OR get a patient operated by a medical science "Researcher" and not a qualified doctor.
      Dharma is a "Technical" subject so it requires the approval of certified expert ( who are certified by the Sharman institution established by Tirthankars) .
      Dhavalbhai you are right.

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    6. emailheena1@gmail.com10/10/2019 6:38 AM

      i hv enquired with mahasatiji and it has been mentioned in uttaradhyayan sutra, chapter 16 and 17. milk. curd etc is called vighai food which is nishedh by mahavirswami

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  2. Dairy products are not good for health anyway. Our sadhus are also consuming too.just want to know why.

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  3. I did not understand from above blog, wwhere Jainism says consumption of milk n its products is ok as per jainism. It clearly says consumption of milk is sin! So all true jains should avoid Milk.. right?

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  4. Amazing Blog!! Kudos to explain this in the best way possible to explain fellow jains...
    My favorite part of this is blog is the following paragraph "We do understand that any kind of change is difficult especially when it has become a part of life. Even if we can’t make the transition, at a minimum, we should not blindly justify our actions and use our own wisdom to apply the Jain values in the current times."
    Great work and I hope more people can start making the correct food choices.

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  5. So what is conclusion milk products are allowed or not

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    1. That's the whole point.... Please think for yourself

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    2. "The Bottom line": "Jains should refrain from dairy products"
      But don't follow it blindly as a rule. Think about it for yourself as an informed Jain

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  6. See the last paragraph:

    There is significant violence and cruelty to five sense animals in the commercial dairy industry and cow’s milk is meant for its calf. Hurting or killing five sense animals are considered highest sin in Jain literature.

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  7. Great effort.
    After knowing the facts of dairy industry as operated today in India, USA and everywhere, I am unable to understand how jains can consume milk and it's products. The Ahimsa principle alone should guide us to make that decision, we don't need any books or people/sadhus to tell us if milk is allowed or not.

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  8. Great article and well written content. As vegan i always get questioned from fellow jains that why i quit milk when our Thirthankars consumed dairy products. My answer is similar to what you have explained that time has changed significantly in cows life. Thank you so much.

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  9. The situation of cows in dairy industry is really poor, this is well highlighted in this blog but I do not agree with the conclusion. Jain are the most capable community. The argument should have been to encourage capable (wealthy/influencial) Jains to present hundreds of examples of good dairy industry practices and change the status of cows in other dairy industries (Baba Ramdev did this to multinational companies by bringing sanity in TV and print media advertisement). In this blog post, it feels like the author has taken a weak stand (author is bringing the entire jain community on to the backfoot) writing a blog post and sending the link in a mass email.

    Need of the hour is to become intellectual and business Kshatriyas, and not a philosophical cowards. It would have been better if instead of giving this Gyan to masses to not consume milk and yogurt etc the author would have encouraged Jains families to help setup large dairy industries. The money given in jeev daya should now also be used in bringing permanent solution.

    This blog post is just a reaction to the current problem and not any answer.

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    1. Your gross statement does not make sense. First of all, animal milk was and is for consumption of calf, not for humans, instead of thinking of that for a second, you want to start a jain business around the same. Dont we already have more than enough greed in religious institutions that you want to introduce additional avenues for the frail human mind to get tempted towards ?

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    2. Well said. I agree, this post is mere reaction to today's problem and not the solution. Jains should come forward to give solutions to the world's challenging problems. Though I salute to those families who started gau shalas, but there is minimal marketing done towards that.

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    3. Excellent comments as this post is just a reaction to the current problem and not any solution for it. Even I think milk is not at all a problem but Dairy Industry is the real culprit. The solution is to get milk without cruelty and develop Gaushalas & PANJARAPOL.

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  10. Yes. The present dairy industry is wrong. But going Vegan is not the solution. Bring a sustainable change!

    'Not having milk' by a few may or may not solve the present problem of cruelty and environmental issues. The problem has to be solved by creating a natural order or system which existed for centuries with new technology. (1) Instead of killing old cows or male calf/bulls, use them for farming activities (2) Use cow / buffalo dung for producing energy and fertilizers 'locally'.

    Please note that domesticated animals (of course not the present Dairy industry) is part of the environment and just stopping them might create even bigger environmental or social problems.

    Has anyone study how environment friendly the process is for producing and distributing Vegan milk?

    Milk, Curd and Ghi are still the best holistic food which have all required ingredients. Even in 12 years long Salleghana by Muni, curd is the last one which they stop eating before going only on water.

    In India, we still can source milk from more 'human' local farmer or cattle owner.

    In US/Australia/Europe, many Jains are affluent and own large land. They can probably start a mini-jain-dairy for local Jain community. If people happily owns Pet Dog/Cats, why can't they do the same with cows and other useful animals?

    Not just the example of Mahavir having milk khir, there are many examples in Jinagam citing cattle raising and consumption of milk/mil products. The famous Raksha Bandhan story. Even slaughter community (Chandals) existed.

    Milk is animal product but it can not be put in the same category as meat/sea food, since there are infinite sukshm jiv in meat, whereas fresh milk (after heating immediately) does not have and becomes "Maryadit" for consumption.

    Ofcourse present dairy industry is not a sustainable option but NOT raising domesticated animals also not a sustainable model.

    Bring Sustainable Change.

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    1. You are clearly misinformed and have a very Utopian view of world around you or you expect others to create a Utopian environment for you without contributing towards it.

      Wanting local farmers to treat cattle humanely so that we can consume milk guilt free seems to be pretty selfish
      Wanting other affluent American / Australian Jains to build humane farm for cattle to produce more milk for our consumption sounds completely self centered.

      Just because we are so attached to milk and dairy products we tend to put forward these arguments as an escape from harsh reality that we are blindly bound to stories and age old adages that our teachers have been teaching us without questioning its veracity in current world.

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    2. If we think about the consumption of products like milk, yogurt, or butter, we should think for ourselves, did the cow offer these items from us or did we take them? In no parts of nature does one species take something from another species and consider it food. When we look at another animal and think, I will take something but I will treat it well, we're assuming that the animal is granting us permission. A domesticated animal may not resist efforts to take something from it, but this does not equate to consent.
      Further, the thought to put the animals to work is a form of slavery. The animals have not signed up for working for us. Animals in the wild are self directed and perform activities that they see fit. If we are to come across domesticated animals who are unable to fend for themselves, we should do our best to take care of them to live our their natural lives.

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  11. Story is totally different in India. White revolution in Gujarat is not known to story writer. Dairy in Gujarat collects milk from individual farmers. These farmers treat their animal like their children. There is no cruelty in India. Please visit villages in Gujarat, meet farmers and see their love toward their animals. Not only that but they allow little ones of animals to suck milk from mother.
    Second thing is that animals produce more milk than what is required for their little ones, a cow is not like human mother. No machine no pain, process of getting milk is not painful. Farmer and his family take care of their animals in every respect.
    Third thing is that farmer never sell his cow to slaughter house. He may send it to GAUSHALA or PANJARAPOL. So there is no cruelty in Gujarat.
    One more thing is that in Gujarat many make their living by way of PASHUPALAN.
    So the solution is
    (1) To get the milk without cruelty.
    (2) Develop GAUSHALA with best facilities.
    (3) Develop and run PANJARAPOL.
    This will serve towards JIV DAYA.
    Jay Jinendra.

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    1. This story is not unique or one off, its the nature of the industry even in India or Gujarat https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSHKMufpEH8

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    2. Consuming animal products has been scientifically and medically shown to negatively impact your health: heart disease, cancer, diabetes. Look up mortality rates of South Asian vegetarians. Ghee is not healthy for you. Milk is not needed for nutrition. Regardless of a debate about violence towards cows in producing milk, consuming animal products is violence on one’s own body. But the facts are that the dairy and meat industry are of the same entity. There is indeed violence to animals. Aside from cruelly, this industry impacts the environment (methane release) and global warming, and again has a health industry impact, which in turn affects the economy and hence people’s standard of living and quality of life. Eating plant based is not just a Jain concern, it should be a worldly concern on so many levels.

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    3. This is really true. Milk is a cause of cancer especially breast cancer in the western world. In Eastern Asia and Japan breast cancer is almost unknown and it is said: this is because they eat so much soja which protects them. But never it is said that they don´t drink milk. They don´t say it, because they don´t want to harm milk industry. It is logical: Milk is for calf. Like all babys they have to grow and so in milk are lots of growth factors, growthinducing hormones which induce abnormal cellgrowth in grown up human beings. Cancer. Man is the only being who drinks the milk for babys from other animals. From a natures point of view it seems perverted.

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  12. I really support Gujrat way of handling cows and milking processes. If things are like Gujrat every where. Then no violence. If you give something in return cow gives you milk. I do not see any negative aspects. Meat is got after killing the animals, but in case of milk it is not so... I personally feel there is low violence by drinking milk... It is just like eating any fruits or vegetables.....

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    1. Dear Mr. Sampat, I think you're talking about the Gujarat way before the white revolution. Please visit Sanand dairy farm with cows when you get an opportunity and you'll learn the truth.

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  13. Great story (Mythology) created by you. You don't know basic science. Cow gives extra milk not only for cow but for consumption also.

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    1. Mr. Sagar, please provide your source for your information before claiming this article as a mythology.

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  14. The author has presented a set of facts to back the conclusion. Rather than challenging that and be worried about our guilt of consuming dairy product and need to defend that any cost, let us look at it objectively and put forth counter views with facts and not make generic statements.
    How many of us have actually been to farms in India to vouch for all dairy farmers and their good practice. When profits are priorities practices change.
    End of the day it is our individual choice and only I know what I am doing and thinking and how much of Ahimsa principle am I able to follow in my words, conduct and thinking.

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  15. Amazing answer, Most of the things I didn't even know, would appreciate if reference to the scriptures is given.
    Thankyou

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  16. Answer posted here does not seem very true. especially what is said above in last paragraph "There is no Jain principle or Jain conduct described by Lord Mahavir indicate to drink milk and consume dairy products. On the contrary his teaching is opposite to the consumption of milk and dairy products."
    This is absolute false, had it been true, Maharaj Saheb would have mentioned and preached this in Vayakhyan.
    In India there is no violence as mentioned above. Also milk used for commercial purpose is only which is left over after milking the calf. Also in latter stages there are panjrapol where non milking, old cows are kept and and taken care of.

    One should also remember that what ever Tirthankar's have said in their preachings is only after Kevalgyan knoweledge (complete knowledge of past, present and future of all living things in this world). So such principle that milk should not be consumed is mentioned no where.

    However, I had asked Sahebji the same question, He said such violence if it happens one should consider usage of milk.

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    1. I think author has done a great job in documenting al the points. As a thinker, logical and aware person, I would rather want this kind of information then just reply oh I asked Maharaj Saheb and blindly follow that.

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  17. Answer posted here does not seem very true. especially what is said above in last paragraph "There is no Jain principle or Jain conduct described by Lord Mahavir indicate to drink milk and consume dairy products. On the contrary his teaching is opposite to the consumption of milk and dairy products."
    This is absolute false, had it been true, Maharaj Saheb would have mentioned and preached this in Vayakhyan.
    In India there is no violence as mentioned above. Also milk used for commercial purpose is only which is left over after milking the calf. Also in latter stages there are panjrapol where non milking, old cows are kept and and taken care of.

    One should also remember that what ever Tirthankar's have said in their preachings is only after Kevalgyan knoweledge (complete knowledge of past, present and future of all living things in this world). So such principle that milk should not be consumed is mentioned no where.

    However, I had asked Sahebji the same question, He said such violence if it happens one should consider usage of milk.

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  18. Respected Blog Committee Members:

    It saddens me greatly to read your article on this topic. While it’s not my intention to castigate your good efforts, but it is my duty to point out that your blogpost is deeply flawed in its content, application and resulting conclusions. It spreads inaccuracies, misinformation and causes flagrant disrespect to the sacred Jain Scriptures.

    Your question itself is so wrong that you have associated the consumption of milk as “not vegetarian” thereby indirectly declaring it to be “non-vegetarian”. Can you please point out a single reference from an authentic Jain scripture where it has been labelled as such? By putting such false and wildly inaccurate labels, you are confusing the youth and leading them to the wrong path. By this one statement, you have labelled all our current and past Jain sadhu’s as non-vegetarians…. Think about the enormous amount of Paap karma you have bonded on to yourself under the guise of preaching Jain Dharma. You all should be ashamed of yourselves. Your blog on this subject is not only wildly inaccurate, it is downright blasphemous to sacred Jain scriptures.

    I can show you a number of scriptural references by venerable Acharyas stating that milk is pure and can be and should be consumed by Jains. In addition to its consumption, milk is also used for performing Abhisheka of Tirthankara’s murti. As one reader has already pointed out, milk serves as significant contributor to the sadhana of a monk during Sallekhana (the art of peaceful voluntary death) sanctioned by holy Jain scriptures. By putting milk in “non-vegetarian” category, you have deeply offended hundreds of sadhakas who go through this pious process.
    If you have a modicum of respect for Jain religion and its practices, you should immediately remove this particular blog to prevent further dis-information and misinformation.
    Most of the young adults and youth in North America are falling prey to increased use of alcohol out of choice or by peer pressure. JAINA and its Education Body have turned a blind eye to this real problem and have instead created a controversy about the use of milk. We are doing nothing to address this problem, but are telling the same youth to STOP drinking milk. Nothing can more twisted and satirical.

    This should be a real food for thought.

    Micchami Dukkadam if I have hurt your sentiments.

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    1. Dear Anonymous writer,
      Committee members have provided facts and are addressing major violence issue. I applaud them for their efforts.

      Using blind and lame excuse is not going help anyone in their spiritual path.

      Young Jains in America are extremely aware... They are not blind followers.

      There are youngs ones in America ,India, around the world who might have lost their path. But that doesn't mean that everyone should a give a blind eye to such current issues.

      We as young Jains think that this kind of attitude, stubbornnes, and blind following takes us away from religion.

      Please pause and think. As the author said - use your own wisdom.

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    2. Yeah, please show scriptural references of the "Venerable Acharyas" how they claim that milk is pure.
      Also in the mean time take a look a this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSHKMufpEH8

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    3. Sometimes the best thing to do is to take away religion from the discussion and look at the issue from the perspective of not wanting to do harm. There is an overwhelming amount of information that shows how cruel the dairy industry is. If nothing else, every single cow that goes through the dairy system (in the U.S.) is eventually slaughtered. If this is the case, why should we support this industry?
      With regards to alcohol, I'm sure there's another post in another section talking about alcohol. Here, the discussion is about milk.

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  19. JJ all, milk is consumed after feeding calves. Now U have pointed food availed from animal is non veg. if it's so then what about mother feeding milk to her kids? One fine day some one might say mothers milk as nonveg. Jainism core is non violence. Any food availed to be from nonviolence. Jains getting little bit protein source from milk, if these kind of questions arise, then it will be journey towards end of Jainism. Michami dukkadam

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    1. Dear Anonymous,
      The article in no way or form suggests that mother's milk (may it be human or animal) is non veg for her babies. So your concern is unfounded. How would you feel if a higher intelligence entity started mass producing milk from humans for commercial purposes giving them hormones and anti biotic drugs? Would you protest then?

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  20. I am surprised to note the explanation of 'Ras Tyag' under the head Mahavira's Preachings Perspective that one should not consume juicy foods like milk, ghee, oils etc. 'Ras' does not mean here juice but means our 'deep liking' towards something. So, meaning of 'Ras Tyag' is giving up our liking towards anything may be for food, clothes, habits etc. 'Ras' means attachment or liking of anything by our all the five senses. If one has liking or he is habitual of sleeping on a very soft bed then Ras Tyag means giving up the habit of sleeping on soft bed and start sleeping on bare floor. If one is very fond of eating mangoes then stop eating mangoes would come under Ras Tyag. For a lady who is very fond of wearing jewellery giving up up wearing jewellery is Ras Tyag for her.

    So, I think that whole blog is based on misunderstanding of the main principles of Jainism. It will not provide right direction, right understanding and right guidance to the jain youth or non-jains about consumption of milk and milk products as per Jain Principles. Rather it is misguiding only.

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    1. Mr Virender,
      Ras Tyaag or Otherwise, the ancient scriptures are always written in poetic language and the joke is on us because its non simple dialect or writing can be subject to interpretation or misinterpretation. If you do google of Ras Tyaag, you will find lot of articles and Jinvaani Sangrah on Ras tyaag vichaar which talks about the consumption of all these ras
      http://www.jinvanisangrah.com/category/%E0%A4%85%E0%A4%A8%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%AF-%E0%A4%89%E0%A4%AA%E0%A4%AF%E0%A5%8B%E0%A4%97%E0%A5%80-%E0%A4%AA%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%A0%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%AF-%E0%A4%B8%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%AE%E0%A4%97%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B0/%E0%A4%B0%E0%A4%B8-%E0%A4%A4%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%AF%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%97-%E0%A4%B5%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%9A%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%B0-ras-tyag-vichar/

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    2. The whole article leads you to think about how you can practice ahimsa by getting rid of milk from your diet or even by reducing its consumption, and all you came up or thought about was `Ras Tyag` and how it might or might not be misrepresented

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  21. Can committee members please answer:

    What is calf fed on when it is separated from its mother? Is it formula milk? If so, what is formula milk made from?

    Thank you.

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  22. If calf is a male, it is immediately shot after birth, in most cases it is even aborted to prevent the farmer enduring costs!

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  25. Dear milk I love you so much, my kids love you, my family loves you, my friends love you I cannot live without you

    My Guruji realized ages ago that if he took away my milk from me I would not adopt his teachings and so he labeled milk as "pure" and exempted milk products from being non-consumable even though it would hurt cows. I love my Guruji. He makes it so convenient for me to follow the religion

    Dear Honey, I understand that you have lots of medicinal benefits, but since I am not so strongly attached to you, i feel indifferent about you and so now even though honey produced in farms is produced in such a way that there are no bee eggs in it, Unlike olden days when the honeycomb was smoked to extract honey, So i dont care even if its treated the same old way inspite of being much more humane than producing cow milk.

    Dear Sister, Mother, wife, I understand how painful breast feeding can be due to baby constantly sucking on it, and I would not wish such pain on any body.. but dear Cow / Buffalo.. you are made by God as Annapurna and provider so its okay if your udders hurt.. I think getting Pure milk out of you is much more important.

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  26. Moderation in Milk as Food Intake is the key solution. Use of water with milk , that is, Buttermilk with Butter removed may be consumed for better well being.

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  28. Here is my talk on vegan diet and health. Please enjoy. Dr. Tushar Mehta

    http://goo.gl/NOeUO0

    (Click on SEE MORE button and download all of my references for the video)

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  29. Thank you for the excellent blog post. This is a crucial issue. India now has the largest beef export in the world. It is mostly buffalo meat, but also large amounts of cow flesh. Here is a video that explains the situation.

    Dairy Production and Cow Slaughter In India:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nt_b4sn20t8&ab_channel=CompassionateIndia = English 5 min
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlQlbHZnv14 = HINDI 5 min

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  30. Here is a talk regarding plant diet and health:



    Dr. Tushar Mehta lecture on Vegan Diet and Health
    http://goo.gl/NOeUO0
    (Click on SEE MORE button and download all of my references for the video)

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  31. The environmental issues are also extremely important

    2019 Talk on Plant Based Diet and the Environment
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UY2nojcRq1I&t=560s&ab_channel=Plant-basedhealthprofessionalsUK
    https://tinyurl.com/y3gclglw

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  32. Jai Jinendra,

    - Seen couple of post saying why Jain Muni/Monk/Nun not promoting #Veganism.. Well here's the link of monks/nuns from all sect saying on it. Ofcourse there are equally others contradicting it - but that's the nature of human - Monks/Nuns are as well humans and they perceive based on what they know, read, follow and depend on.

    - Some of them asked for references in scriptures - see the videos it have references in Jain scriptures as well.

    - Not all monks/nuns/shravak/shravika are enlightened - it's our own duty to see, research, understand and then follow. Karma is not looking at whom you follow... its by what you yourself follow.

    Digambar
    Jain Muni ji Shri Viharsh Sagar Ji Maharaj telling Jain community to abstain from milk.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPMB-lnkAtg

    Shwetambar-Murtipujak
    Labdhi Sagar Maharaj Saheb - Milk, Dairy products, Jainism & Veganism
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTNZi1OeJBE

    Sthankwasie
    Should we drink milk or not. Jain sadhvi vaibhavshreeji ms pune #vegan with reference to Jain Agam
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLyitfLJ6vk


    Also for easy reference : here's the playlist of all such videos.
    https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXwADOOUikSyEMPrnUn1EcQz2sCnVdheR

    Do your own research and then follow using your wisdom.

    If you still need more information - Internet has everything, and if you are google-handicap, let us know and we'll send you more specific information be it about reference in JAIN Scripture or how dairies are maintained in all countries or even how much Panjrapole is effective.

    And for those, whose are still arguing based on whataboutary - well more than 70% or world is eating non-veg - that doesnt make it correct. Even if you are a single person left on earth - your contribution or following to the all JAIN principle is what generates your KARMA... so good luck in defending the age old cultural practice... sooner or later this practice is gonna end like other (bali - sacrificing animals was ok just till few generations back, Sati-pratha - self immolation behind husbands death - was followed very vehemently, Salvery - most of countries had this just like 100 yrs back).. So Grow-up use your senses to improve knowledge not to defend something that contradicts the facts.

    Have a knowledgeable life..

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  33. Jagadguru shri Mahavirswami never refrain to consume dairy. This article is falsifying the facts. 6 vighai shall be consumed only when needed. For example, Shri gandhar Gautamswami fed the Khir to 500 sadhak on Asthapad and then took those sadhak with him and gave them dixa.

    Right way to approach is to start involving in dairy business to help those animals not to go thru such pain. That is true ahinsa. Not consuming milk/dairy will not help animals. For example, you buy animals from butcher so they cant kill them and protect them is better form of ahinsa then refrain to eat meet. Likewise is true for dairy.

    Check with any sect sadhu/sadhvi and they would endorse it. I did check personally with shri labdhichandra sagarji and he said his intent was represent incorrectly in this matter.

    Thank You,
    Malay

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  34. Great article and very well written. As Jains it’s our duty to keep our eyes and minds open (right perception), gain understanding of the changing world (right knowledge) and then adapt and modify our behavior accordingly (right conduct). This article very well represents why we need to reduce or eliminate our dairy consumption to save the planet and save the cows from misery. We need to remember that dairy was necessary in the past when we didn’t have access to green veggies year around and didn’t have blenders to get easy protein from beans and nuts. Now it’s no longer a necessity for us to lead a healthy life. In fact it’s proven that green leafy vegetables have better quality calcium than dairy

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  35. Consumption of dairy produced using inhumane methods is clearly not consistent with jain principles but what if it is done without harming the animal and its calves? Yes, it is still questionable because it involves domesticating the animal. What Mahavir said or did related to this topic is far less important than the core principles of jainism which are laid out really well in Tatvarthsutra.
    In Tarvarthsutra, following is said about consumption of food - consume nothing that is sachit or that is mixed with sachit, do rastyaag, do unodari and basically consume as little as possible. Sachit means anything with a mind. There is no discussion of dairy or non dairy, root vegetables or otherwise. However, enough is said about nonviolence, reduction of consumption and controlling of senses. If one goes by that, dairy should be avoided as much as possible and ideally in its entirety. However, at the same times saying no to root vegetables or leafy vegetables has no basis and in fact some of these vegetables have medicinal values that help us stay away from taking medicines. what is greater wrong - taking medicines (just study the process of developing new medicine) or consuming leafy and root vegetables? Sticking to first principle, there cant be anything wrong with consuming root vegetable as long as we stick to other principles such as reduce your consumption of everything to as little as possible and give up desire for taste. Clearly sachit means anything with a mind and that means all the animals, birds, fish etc but there is no evidence that plant has a mind or if if also has, then it means we cant consume anything as per tatvarthsutra and clearly that is not what is written.
    Finally on your blog, attempt is good but you need to work a lot more to bring out proper references to authoritative material and avoid your own interpretations.

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  36. Nicely written blog and explained well. After reading "Devil in the milk" and "Milk A Silent Killer" this blog makes sense.

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  37. I personally believe any dairy product is a pure NON-VEGETARIAN product. To the extent I have stopped using a Gujarati Food Item popularly known as 'Kadi' which has one of its ingredients as dairy milk only. Unfortunately, I am not able to get others convinced that cow milk is the only milk that can be considered.

    I acknowledge your thoughts that any dairy product is a purely NON-VEGETARIAN food product.

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  38. Very well written. This is the kind of open mindedness we need if we want to keep our religion relevant to today's youngsters.

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  39. I would say one thing "a mother produces milk for her young ones".please think about that I sure did and it just became crystal clear and thank you as always you have answered the toughest question in every way possible
    LIVE AND LET LIVE..

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  40. Knowingly or unknowingly asatna has been caused by stating “And the significant portion of stories are created (mythology) by the author using the name of the historical personalities. But one should not derive the Jain principles or Jain conducts out of the story.”

    As per writers who were these authors who created Mythology) in significant stories , jain doctrines , agams . Lord Adinath, Lord Mahavir , Gandhar Gautam Swami , Keval Gyani’s , Shrut Kevali’s , Acharya Bhadrabahu , Acharya Kundkund , Acharya Sthulibhadra or Acharya Hemchandra , etc. Just to eliminate references of milk usage , sophisticatedly word mythology was used in between.

    All Tirthankar’s leaving Lord Adinath had taken their first alms as parna was kheer . Rice Curdled with Milk is referred as Kheer . It was preferred as first thing after fasting penance. It has highest Sattva .

    Lord Adinath was first to teatch Asi Masi Krishi , Compassion , Welfare of all . Gautam Swami kheer Labdhi incident is very important for us. Shalibhadra’s uttam daan of Kheer with uttam bhaav as alms to jain monk in his previous birth has inspired . And calling same created mythology, unknowingly doubts have been raised on our rich values and rich culture.

    You rightly said cow ,bull and their kids were treated as family members in India and every family used to have them in their families . After feeding its calf , happily cow used to deliver extra milk to layman who used to take care of them.

    From ancient time Jains do have huge compassion for cow and other animals , hence from ancient time they have been in process of building gowshalas , panjrapoles .

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  41. All of this justification just because you want to continue drinking milk from cow?!?!

    Why and for what? Who are we cheating in the process?

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  42. Basically Q4 raises 2 queries. Firstly 'why do Jains take dairy produce when these are animal products. Secondly "why Jain scriptures do not prohibit dairy products". As long as one is living, some 'hinsa' is necessarily involved. Even breathing causes it. The basic Jain
    philosophy calls upon individuals to minimise 'hinsa'. In the good old days, cows were revered and treated accordingly The cruelty now rampant did not exist. The only 'hinsa' caused was perhaps the psychological effect on the calf caused by weaning it away at the time of milking.The calf was given supplementary food as required. On the scale of 'hinsa' milk was probably less 'hinsak' than some vegetables. This should explain the reason why Jain scriptures do not prohibit Milk/milk products. This also explains why the Jains have been traditionally taking milk/milk products. This brings us to the question 'what should the Jains do now under the present circumstances?.The answer is simple. If milk/milk products are obtained from the modern dairy system, it is definitely not desirable. But if the milk is obtained through the olden system, then there is no bar. There are definitely places where the cows are treated well even today, but these are few and far between

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    1. very sensible argument. Vegans ignore all this and act sanctimonious

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  43. I appreciate the effort of touching so sensitive topic. Milk & its products have become so much essential part in our daily life that we have been ignoring the possibilities of any cruelty behind it. I admire the effort taken before jotting down the article & I also admire that you say to the reader to learn & decide yourself the further course. 🙏
    I too had this question in my mind from quite some years & thanks to bring that up. I have decided to gradually move away from milk & milk products. 👍

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  44. If consuming cow's milk is a hinsa or a sin, then Sir Jagdish Chandra Basu -a nobel laureate, already proved that plants and vegetables also have life, so we shouldn't be eating vegetables also.

    It is also said that cows are living animals, are humans not living life, why they drink mother's milk? Now I can understand that just like human mother's milk is for human baby, cows milk ought to be for the calf alone and not for human consumption. But what about when a human mother passes away while giving birth to a baby and the baby survives, how should that baby infant be raised if not by feeding cow's milk?

    I think a higher life ought to be protected by feeding a lower life as said, "जीवो जीवस्य भोजनम". Humans if they have to kill someone to be alive then they should kill the least form of life such as fruits and vegetables, grains, and nuts and NOT other animals or their milk at the cost of something which the god made for their offsprings - like calfs.
    Interesting. Also should hinsa or sin not be to hurt somebody's feelings by calling bad names, or anger, jealousy, greed, and having other vices.?

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  45. If consumption of naturally dead animals is allowed then a person may even take a way out by forcing animal to die by not allowing the animal any food or fodder and consequently the animal shall die of hunger and one will say that the animal has died its death and it was not killed by use of any weapon. This logic by itself is illogical. Besides this once the animal is dead the micro organism start developing in dead body which are not visible with naked eyes and sometimes even with microscope and thereby the dead body will have within it a lot of living creatures. What ever has been told by Arihant Parmatma and their disciples is based on their ultimate knowledge The KevalGyan which is far much powerful than any super computer or microscope. Therefore what has been told by Arihant Parmatma and preached by Acahryas has to be followed in letter and spirits without there being any place for logic or question.

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  46. in blog "Jainism view on dairy products" , you described on "the bad effects of dairy industry/livestock production on environment"....but i'm confront with this premise, because instead of harmful effects of livestock on environment, there are also benefits to environment.Livestock help's in enriching soil nutrients by providing organic fertilizer to the soil , thereby increases the soil fertility and in this way, raise crop yield naturally , thereby reducing the demands of chemical fertilizers. Cow's urine is of much importance in agriculture. That's why how can you say that there is merely bad effects occurs on environment due to dairy industry.

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  47. Cows are most precious. They can never give bad effect on the environment. Cow dung is the best fertilizer for organic farming which used to be in ancient India. Cow's urine is a medicine which cures many ailments. If cows are bad effect on environment than humans are no less by cutting trees, producing chemicals, atomic bombs, plastic, chemical medicines, and high tech gadgets which emits radioactive waves and creat many diseases. Sorry, cow industry ought to be promoted. And in India cow is worshipped, as they say many dieties resides in cow -right or wrong.

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  48. And when an infant loses his or her human mother than he or she is raised on cow's milk, hence cow is also called mother cow or "Gau Maataa".

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  49. Above All, use of diary products and especially milk is the main cause of pancreatic beta cell damage which has made today so many diabetic patients.

    If milk products alone restricted 50% your readings are reduced in a span of 3 months with healthy diet.

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  50. Useless discussion We are quite unaware of what Mahavir and other omniscient s had said billions of years ago Either we follow the Scripture blindly or try to become Shrut Gyani

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  51. It's important to address the cow industry as a whole when discussing dairy products. Many times, we often focus on the individual aspects, such as obtaining dairy for our personal needs, and bring our attention to the one cow that may supply us with the milk. However, it is not just one cow that is affected but in fact the entire cow industry. By engaging in practices that allow us to obtain dairy products, milk particularly, from the use of of cows, we indirectly contribute to the slaughtering of cows when they are no longer needed (no longer cost-effective). We may not realize that we indirectly do this so, as the article mentions, it is an important idea to bring up. Also, I think it is important to address that we are also in some way using the cows for our personal needs and are indirectly harming them. We are not allowing the cows to naturally be the way they want to be and use them to get milk. This milk is beneficial for us but the process in which we obtain the milk may be harmful if the cow industry is not properly regulated at all times. In other words, without certain rules and regulations in place, people may get the milk from the cows by harming them or making them behave in a certain way so that they cooperate.

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  52. The writter has put down the present scenario, we all are aware about. The only hurdle with us is we are reading it trying to defend our fears of facing the present.
    Now again read it naturally.. think... no one is saying wrong about any religous views..
    The roblem right now is the cruelty in dairy industry.
    We all are owners of our conclusion,
    no permission or acception required.

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  53. Go Vegan:)

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  54. Sir, the blog is pretty informative. YOU HAVE REALLY BEEN THOROUGH WITH YOUR RESEARCH.
    REGARDING HOW COWS ARE IMPREGNATED CONTINUOUSLY FOR GAINS BY THE DIARY INDUSTRY.
    Now I have a query if more people turned vegan, the dairy industry faces a downfall in consumption.
    The dairy industry which sells these cows to slaughterhouses once the reduction in milk deliverance is observed.N
    wont the cows be directly sent to the slaughterhouse for just some bucks? Will we humans/dairy industry people find a new use for cow or just switch to the alternative (meat industry) ?
    The concept of veganism is great. But will there not be a negative impact? Maybe more cows will be raised only to be butchered as no other application just from an industrial point of view.

    Anyways keep it up. Jai Jinendra.

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  55. Vijaya Jeyakumar8/16/2020 9:24 PM

    I really appreciate this article. For all those denying the cruelty behind the dairy industry, whether in India or abroad, consider this: is it morally right to artificially inseminate a cow, that is, without its permission, to get them pregnant for 9 months so that we can have our milk because we are protein deficient? How irresponsible of us!!

    Scriptures of the past are from the past, and sure, may have considered milk to be “pure”. Unfortunately scriptures written more than 2500 years ago do not reflect society in the present. It is up to every one of us to be open-minded, evaluate and revise our own thoughts as it relates to milk.

    I only turned vegan once I became pregnant. As a woman, I know how long and enduring it is to carry a baby to term. I wonder how cows would feel to be separated from their calves just so we can steal their milk? Calves by the way, are fed soy milk as a replacement milk, and do not ever have the chance to taste their mother’s milk.

    The one thing this article fails to point out is all of the abundant sources of plant based vegan milk we can get, and how they can be terrific replacements to orignal milk.

    Thank you again for shedding light on this sensitive topic. Jai Jinendra

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  56. How can I be a Jain? Or follow Jainism?
    Please be kind on your responses!
    Thank you

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  57. It seems the writer here is too much influenced by vegan mindset.
    A broader view is necessary here.
    Teerthankar had khseeranna aahar. - Uttara Purana
    Parasparopagraho Jeevanam - Tatvarthsutra
    They give us milk and we feed them and their calves. Thats it.

    As per the Indian context, this mentality will leave farmers out of business, malnutritioned vegetarians and more slaughter of cows.

    I have 16 cows , 1 bull and 18 healthy calves.
    Come to Pune, India and I will show how we treat them and how they treat us.

    Actions speak more than words.

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  58. *JAINISM AND DAIRY CONSUMPTION*

    I am Pradeep Shah from Mumbai.
    I was suffering from several diseases till my age of 55 did almost everything to cure the same but without success, later when I understood the laws of nature and applied the results were miraculous and all my diseases got cured without any medicines.

    We extend seva under banner of New Diet System.

    Several lakhs of people have cured themselves from so-called incurable diseases despite having altogether different lifestyle and food habits.

    I have conducted several seminar on disease reversal without medicines, also specifically on milk and dairy products,
    HEALTHY JAIN DIET SYSTEM.

    I have interacted with several Achariya Maharaj sahibs from several sects in regards to serious health issues and after having understood Nature Science, Jain Aagams, Specifically Uttaradhyan Sutras, 12 Tapas, having experimented and experienced miraculous results I would like to state as follows.

    A truly scientific religion has been grossly misinterpreted and that's why majority Jain shravaks and Sadhus both are facing serious health issues.

    We have grossly misinterpreted Scientific religion to our comforts, convenience and diluted to an extent that the religion has become virtually ineffective and that is why most of our Jain samaj is facing serious health issues like any other communities.

    Vegetarians, non vegetarians and Jain samaj all carry similar diseases of almost the same intensity. Root cause grossly unnatural and wrong diet system.

    Whatever I've stated is after having understood laws of nature, Jain Aagams and modern science.

    Let's not get swayed away by stories created by historians, let's understand SUTRAS it's true holistic meaning, apply and experience results is our testimonial.

    We all know mahaveer Swami before giving up is physical body had given the final deshana known as Uttaradhyan Sutra for 48 hours he gave the the real essence of religion.

    There are multiple sutras on Vighai Tyag, Rastyag as far as diet is concerned.
    Very Meaning of VIGHAI is a diet which physically and mentally ruins us by creating huge emotions of lust, resulting in steep downfall in spirituality pathway to DURGATI.

    Mahaveer Swami has clearly stated to quit all popular Animal based products popularity used at that time
    Nonveg
    Honey
    Butter
    Milk
    Curd
    Ghee
    Also added
    Liquor
    Oil and fried items
    Jaggery.

    Despite varities in liquor, nonveg, oils, only Dairy items milk, curd, Butter and ghee are exclusively spelled out.

    Nature has created milk exclusively for her newly born child.
    Milk contents for each species is different depending on there physical and mental development.
    MILK CANNOT BE A ADULT DIET.
    ANIMAL MILK AND DAIRY PRODUCTS ARE PHYSICAL AND MENTAL DISEASE CAUSING FOOD.

    Please refer Atichar sutras on animals creulty. There is nothing like ahimsak dairy, all dairies are hinsak, percentage may vary.

    Present slaughter, nonveg, leather and various industries are flourishing because of cheap raw material supply in huge huge quantities by dairy industries.

    Therefore all dairy consumers should take responsibility of promoting such creul industries or QUIT animal based products in any form.

    Lot much to state, but at present this is sufficient.

    Kammiyat khammana

    Michhami dukkadam

    Pradeep Shah
    09096697773
    Mumbai

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  59. Nice discussion. We cannot justify diary products even if they are good for health if it creates hinsa.

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  60. I wasn't born a Jain but my husband was and we lived with my parents in law, I was already a vegetarian (not eating eggs) when I married and my husband stopped eating eggs when I refused to cook them for him. I went vegan over 30 years ago but was pressurized by my late husband and his mother to eat dairy as my mother-in-law said I should put my children first ie I was criticized for being vegan and I could never understand why Jains could eat dairy products (particularly in the west where the dairy industry kills male calves within a day of them being born, and people are literally drinking the milk that the mother cow made for her babies) I The last time I attended a Jain Ceremony was Mahavir Jayanti in the USA (where I now live) about 4 years ago and there were serving yoghurt & other dishes that had dairy milk in them - I asked the young man who was serving not to give me anything with dairy produce in it and he asked me why, was I allergic to it? I am white so maybe he wouldn't have asked that if I looked Indian; my main feeling is frustration, if I were a Jain by birth I would have been much more vocal in my views but as a white person I always felt it wasn't my place to 'teach' Jainism to Jains. I'm so happy that Veganism is finally taking off but please, young Vegan Jains, give it your whole to make every member of your community understand that eating dairy is as bad as eating meat; ignorance itself is Karma imho

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  61. I completely agree with the author. Very beautifully written & explained it's just that everybody understands the cruelty behind dairy products but no one actually wants to comes out of their comfort zone, so instead majority of people choose the easier option of ignoring the harsh reality...

    Lesson:
    A lie doesn't become truth
    A wrong doesn't become right
    An evil does'nt become justice
    Just because those actions are done by majority of people

    I believe it is our responsibility to create a more ethical society than the one we are born into...

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  62. Cows were treated like family members in the ancient Indian culture. How were dead cows handled? Were they cremated, buried, or some other method ... ? Thanks.

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    1. buried. This is in practice even today.

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  63. what about pesticide use to kill bugs ( when growing vegetables, fruits, wheat, rice, beans, lentils, etc. Even in ancient times organic pesticides were used that killed or made insects sterile. And use of oxen to plow the field( torture for the oxen) or even a tractor that kills rodents & bugs and the poor farmer toiling in his field so others can eat food grown from his sweat and blood. What about use of water to grow plants, that water could be used by other animals and fish. Plants and fruits are also eaten by bugs, birds and other wildlife so when humans eat plants and fruits, we deprive those creatures their food. So there are many arguments to not eat any plants based food, and ofcourse not eat animal based food so then we should live on air and even air has microscopic beings so stop breathing too. All of this makes no sense. One could argue that killing 2, 3 or 4 sensed beings is okay but most people do not( and did not in ancient times) agree with that. To me, killing is much worse then depravation of cows milk to its calf. I am also not talking about today's milk dairies where cattle may be sent to slaughter houses), i am talking about pre-industrial age where milk dairies were not involved in cow slaughter, so milk has been allowed to jain households for 100s of years.

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  64. Reading this in 2024. I am Jain and confirm you are right about cruelty. We had at least a dozen cattle until very recently, we followed all those the rules like not sending old cows or bull for slaughtering or extract milk only after calf is done drinking. Some cows or buffaloes suddenly stop giving milk and default steps by most farmers is to send them for slaughtering. It is not economically viable to follow rules forever. It always bugged me from childhood, going to pathshala learning about Jainism and also to see cows tied to rope whole day because we humans need milk. I always wanted to be Vegan. Last year I took that step and I never felt better. I am always alert, sleep quality has improved, health parameters improved drastically without medications. I ensure not even a spoon of dairy or dairy products is consumed , it won't impact my health but there is animal cruelty involved and I don't want to be part of it. What I have realised is people are very sensitive about their food habits and they will be very reluctant to change it, they will give all sorts of arguments. If you see some comments here talk about giving references from Maharajji or acharyas, but they don't want to introspect on animal cruelty related points blogger made. And those making suggestions on having Jain dairy or ahimsa dairy, I have seen dairy economics for years very closely, it is not viable. Why are we so hell bent on making it work for our Taste buds? There is enough studies available now that is not must for health, in fact it is not good for health.

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  65. In reality cow's milk is for calf only and NOT for us or humans. It is nice to be a vegan but the old habits are hard to change. Cruelty and selfishness of modern day's humans have created this inhuman activity. This is sure a destructive progress of science and modern education. Plant based diet seems to be a solution to this problem. In older days when mothers used to die while giving birth and the only solution was to raise the child on cow's milk. That is why cow was called Gomata . Then it became a practice to consume Cow's milk for tea, coffee, yogurt etc. But the cruelty of slottering any animals for money is to be stopped at any cost.

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